PCLinuxOS Éducation

De Djohnston, sur le forum de PCLinuxOS

PCLinuxOS Éducation 2011

Size: 686MB
Md5Sum: 01748f6334b4fffa796507dc594b1d7f
Produced by: Melodie, Crow and the testers
User Level:  Children

Info: PCLinuxOS Education is constructed around the window manager Openbox and a few additional programs, to form what is an extremely fast-performing and energy-saving desktop environment. Maintained by an international community of developers, it comes with a beautiful interface, multi-language support, standard keyboard short cuts and additional features like tabbed file browsing. Openbox uses less CPU and less RAM than other environments. It runs especially well on computers with low hardware specifications, such as netbooks, mobile devices (e.g. MIDs) or older computers.

Features
Kernel 2.6.38.8-bfs kernel for maximum desktop performance.
Full Openbox Desktop.
Nvidia driver support. ATI fglrx can be added later.
Multimedia playback support for many popular formats.
Wireless support for many network devices.
Printer support for many local and networked printer devices.
Addlocale allows you to convert PCLinuxOS into over 60 languages.
LibreOfficeManager can install Libre Office supporting over 100 languages.
OOo4Kids Manager can install OpenOffice For Kids in 17 languages.

Highlighted Applications
GCompris – a high quality educational software suite comprising of numerous activities for children aged 2 to 10
Some of the activities are game orientated, but nonetheless still educational. Below you can find a list of categories with some of the activities available in that category.

–  computer discovery: keyboard, mouse, different mouse gesture, …
–  algebra: table memory, enumeration, double entry table, mirror image, …
–  science: the canal lock, the water cycle, the submarine, electric simulation …
–  geography: place the country on the map
–  games: chess, memory, connect 4, oware, sudoku …
–  reading: reading practice
–  other: learn to tell time, puzzle of famous paintings, vector drawing, cartoon making, …

Currently GCompris offers in excess of 100 activities and more are being developed. GCompris is free software, that means that you can adapt it to your own needs, improve it and, most importantly, share it with children everywhere.

Childsplay – a collection of educational activities for young children and runs on Windows, OSX, and Linux. Childsplay can be used at home, kindergartens and pre-schools. A fun and safe way to let young children use the computer and at the same time teach them a little math, letters of the alphabeth, spelling, eye-hand coordination etc.
Childsplay is part of the schoolsplay.org project.

Omnitux – The project aims to provide various educational activities around multimedia elements (images, sounds, texts)
Types of activities

Associations,
items to place on a map or a schema,
counting activities,
puzzles,
card faces to remember,

Multiple languages support :

German
English
French
Italian
Polish
Portuguese
Spanish

Available for Linux and Microsoft Windows.

Gamine – the game for the youngest. Starting age of 18 months when your child starts climbing on your knees and messing around your desktop  with the mouse, hop ! Start Gamine,  and the child will have colorful shapes and music reacting to the moves of the mouse, leaving your desktop alone, and discovering that the move of the mouse has an action !

gTans – A tangram game offering plenty of possibilities, and very configurable
Tuxtype – to learn and improve typing while feeding Tux
Tux Paint – to draw and paint. A set of thumbs are installed, more can be installed later
TuxMathScrabble – a game to learn maths while playing scrabble with Tux

Scratch – An astounding programming language for everyone. While building stories and scenes, you will learn and teach development to young children, and many projects which can be downloaded for use can be found at the main site. Scratch: Create interactive stories, games, music and art – and share them online.

Okawix – Okawix is an offline reader that allow you to download the content of Wikimedia projects, with or without pictures, in order to then access it offline.
Okawix’s library includes the 253 languages of the various projects of the Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks).

Other programs included
Firefox- Web Browser
PCmanFM – File and Desktop Manager

AbiWord – Word processor
Evince – Document viewer
Gnumeric – Spreadsheet
Galculator – calculator
Labyrinth – Mind mapping

VLC – media player for nearly any kind of multimedia format
DeadBeef – music player

MTPaint and MTPaint Screenshot – Painting and Screenshot Program
Viewnior – Graphic Viewing Program

File-Roller – Archive manager
Gnomebaker – CD/DVD Burning Program

Geany – Text Editor

PCLinuxOS Control Center
Synaptic package manager
Obconf – Openbox Configuration Manager

12,000 additional programs available from our Synaptic Software Manager after installation to your computer.

Hardware requirements
Processor
Modern Intel or AMD processor.
Memory & storage
RAM : 384 MB minimum, 1 GB recommended.
Hard disk : 3 GB minimum, 10 GB or more recommended if you plan to install additional software from our repository.
Video card
nVidia, ATI, Intel, SiS, Matrox, VIA.
3D desktop support requires a 3D instructions set compatible card.
Sound card
Any Sound Blaster, AC97 or HDA compatible card.
Other
CD/DVD drive required or PC capable of booting from USB

Normal user is school and password is school.

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To install to hard drive, login as user root at the login screen. Password is root.

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[b][color=red]See [url=http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,96316.0.html]this post[/url] about enhanced security on internal partitions.[/color][/b]

PCLinuxOS Edu is [b]not available[/b] in the repositories. Please download it from here:

[url=http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_En_2011/pclinuxos-education-2011.08.iso][b]pclinuxos-education-2011.08.iso[/b][/url]
[url=http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_En_2011/pclinuxos-education-2011.08.md5sum][b]pclinuxos-education-2011.08.md5sum[/b][/url]

PCLinuxOS Live USB Creator overview: [url=http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=82277.0]http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=82277.0
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Linux Live USB User’s Guide: [url=http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/help/guide]http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/help/guide[/url]

Unetbootin installation instructions: [url=http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/#install]http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/#install[/url]

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Quand Libreoffice et WordPress sont faits pour s’entendre

Voulez-vous écrire un billet hors ligne avec Libreoffice, mettre un formatage, par exemple de la couleur, que sais-je d’autres, et ensuite faire un copié-collé vers le champ d’édition d’un nouveau billet dans WordPress ? Un simple « Ctrl-a » dans Libreoffice, suivi d’un « Ctrl+c » et un Ctrl+v » après avoir sélectionné le champ article dans WordPress permettent de poster votre chef-d’œuvre en un rien de temps. Je viens de tester avec la version 4.4.1.2 de Libreoffice, vers la version 4.1 de WordPress. Cela fonctionne. Démonstration ci-dessous:

Tutu

tata

titi

toto

 Les raccourcis-clavier comptent : « Ctrl+c » et Ctrl+v » permettent de réussir le copié-collé. La méthode avec la souris ne fonctionne pas.

Notez que je suis sous (Arch)Linux. Je ne peux pas garantir que cela fonctionne de la même manière sous Windows. À vous de me dire ?

Administrations, économies et écologie

Logo Pôle Emploi
Logo Pôle Emploi

La semaine dernière, après avoir hésité quelques jours, j’ai décidé d’écrire un mail au Pôle Emploi pour leur dire ce que je pense des trajets abusifs vers leurs officines. Rassurez-vous c’était très poli. En substance, je demandais à ce que les découpages géographiques soient revus, pour qu’ils permettent de minimiser les temps et les distances de trajets, afin de favoriser les économies et l’écologie. Je ne manquais pas de recevoir peu après un mail m’informant que ma demande de changement de rattachement à un Pôle Emploi ne pouvait pas être prise en compte, car le village où j’habite dépend de ce découpage administratif.

Comme si j’avais fait une demande personnelle pour mon profit exclusif ! 😡

(suite…)

Les sites de notre gouvernement selon le W3C

Un petit aperçu de quelques-uns des sites de notre cher gouvernement (français de France), vus par le validateur du W3C. Je vous laisse apprécier, vous qui êtes connaisseurs.

Le site du Gouvernement, tout d’abord: http://www.gouvernement.fr/

Le résultat ici : Markup Validation Service  : 27 Errors, 14 warning(s). L’auriez-vous cru ?

D’autres sites du gouvernement : https://www.formulaires.modernisation.gouv.fr/

Et un de plus pour faire bonne mesure : http://www.vos-droits.justice.gouv.fr (Celui-là ne présente «que» 85 erreurs et 91 avertissements).

Pas étonnant que le formulaire que je tente de télécharger ne se présente jamais ? (Allo ici Firefox, do you read me ?)

 

Compiler Xsnow

Comment compiler xsnow:

xsnow-1.42.tar.gz est ici http://janswaal.home.xs4all.nl/Xsnow

imake contient généralement xmkmf qui est requis.

Pour pouvoir le compiler (needed to build)
imake
gccmakedep
libx11-devel
libxt-devel
libxpm-devel

Une fois que ces paquets sont installés, lire le fichier README:

and once these installed, following the README:

How to compile:
—————
To build:
xmkmf
make depend
make

et voilà ! / is successful

PCLinuxOS Fr et les règlements de la team

/!\ Note to English readers : I won’t take time to translate French for English readers and English to French readers. Under the present text you can find a few places where you can get an instant and approximate translation.
/!\ Je ne prendrai pas le temps de traduire l’anglais pour les francophones, ou le français pour les anglophones. Voici quelques adresses pour une traduction instantanée et approximative du contenu de ces pages:

http://translate.google.fr/

http://fr.babelfish.yahoo.com/

http://www.wordreference.com/

De quoi s’agit-il ?

Aujourd’hui je pense qu’il est temps de poster ici le contenu de deux messages qui m’ont été délivrés par messages privés, dans le forum du site pclinuxos.com.

C’est la suite du billet posté il y a juste une semaine: PCLinuxOS Éducation 2012 et les règlements de la team.

=== début de citation ===
quote author=Hootiegibbon link=action=profile;u=319 date=1334711260
Melodie,

As you are aware, we have been auditing all the community editions of PCLinuxOS and have
been removing non-compliant iso’s from circulation. We are also in the process of
consolidating our current releases in order to make way for the 64bit releases when they
are ready.

PCLinuxOS-OpenBox (and any spinoff) was the weakest release out of the audit, and as such
is now earmarked for deletion from the mirrors at some time within the next 7-10 days.

While we are consolidating our releases we request that you remove the french remasters
also.

You have also been previously advised in regards to your confrontational manor relating
to discussion of development matters.

We will review the current decisions at a later undisclosed date. Part of that review
will be reliant on the attitude you exhibit to the developers and to the forum.

This matter is not subject to any conversation or barter.

We would prefer to have your cooperation at this time.

This does not presently affect your standing within the forum other than what has been
stated above, and so long as your attitude is improved, I see no reason why it should be.

Thanks for reading.

Jase
For and on behalf of the PCLinuxOS Development team

===fin de citation===

===ma réponse  ===

Hi Jase,

The next PCLinuxOS Openbox versions will be 100% compliant with the PCLinuxOS standards.
The full one has only zram in it, which does not belong to the repos. The Bonsai version
will become a mini and under that shape will be compliant if I have time to create one or
if someone wants to take over (I started a discussion with someone about this idea).

The diy version (actual pclinuxos openbox bonsai) will have another name and pclinuxos
will not be used as name, logo or images.

the French versions, else than the Openbox  versions are all compliant and I have the
authorisation from Texstar to deliver French spinoffs with the name of PCLinuxOS in it.
You can ask him for confirmation. I still have a copy of his message telling me my french
versions are ok.

You do not ignore, I suppose that turzin has recently done a great job with a PCLinuxOS
Lxde Fr which is perfectly compliant.

[citation]This matter is not subject to any conversation or barter.

We would prefer to have your cooperation at this time.[/citation]

I would also like the dev team on behalf of you to consider having a talk with the 2
other main contributors of the French section. Their work is very good, be it for the
wiki fr : http://wiki.pclinuxos-fr.org or for the new lxde fr spinoff for which a full
presentation has been published : http://pclinuxos-fr.org  and they deserve the highest
consideration.

Best regards,
melodie

PS: the older fr versions will be replaced one  by one : Lxde is already up to date with
a april 2012 version, turzin started working on a kde version… the Xfce version will
not be considered as long as the depends for any component exceed what we usually find in
other distributions.

=====

Cette manière de faire, de prendre des décisions en cachant un peu tout ce qui gêne est assez caractéristique de la manière dont la communication est menée chez PCLinuxOS. Les discussions au grand jour, ce n’est pas souhaité !

La réponse que j’ai obtenue suite à cet échange est une fin de non recevoir en bonne et due forme.

Voici cette réponse:

 

[citation author=Hootiegibbon link=action=profile;u=319 date=1334790547]
Melodie,

In order to redress your reply:

The decision has already been made. We are reducing the number of releases in order to make way for the 64bit releases in the near future.

The deletion process has already begun, and there will be no approved PClinuxOS-OpenBox iso.

The permission to repackage/translate the releases into French was revoked with the notice we previously sent to you. We have the addlocal script to enable a multi-lingual PCLinuxOS.

There was no official request for artwork to be undertaken, this is something you decided to organize, despite recent communications with various members of the development team in which you were advised that your iso was being audited.

As you intend to rebrand bonsai as your own, I would suggest you concentrate on that as your iso project.

You were advised, and you quoted the fact, that this matter was not subject to any conversation or barter, yet you still persist with your message to me.

Some consideration has been given to you. Your previous actions and argumentative interactions with the developers and administrators would have had others receive a 15-30 day ban from the forums.

IF you wish to continue to help PCLinuxOS, in a truly cooperative manner, we would invite you to join the Testers. We will not be requiring your services to create any further isos in the foreseeable future.

As regards to the new LXDE-French iso, you will either need to delete or rebrand it as with any KDE iso you mention.

The developers and the Admin team have requested I be the point of contact with you. You may wish to examine your previous conversations with those you have spoken to, to gain an idea as to why they will not speak to you directly again.

All that is required, by way of a reply to this message, is for you to acknowledge that you will not pursue this conversation any further, that you will cease producing French translations, and you will advise anybody that you have engaged into producing artwork or isos to cease at this time.

IF you decide to do what you did previously, start another thread about this topic on the open forum, your post will be deleted and you will be banned from interacting within the forum or participating in any PCLinuxOS projects.

Thanks for reading

Jase

For and on behalf of the PCLinuxOS Development team

 

Je me demande s’il y a un parti pris vis-à-vis de « melodie », ou vis-à-vis des linuxiens francophones en général ? Il est évident que en étant membre actif du forum, je ne suis pas passée inaperçue, non plus que les travaux engagés par d’autres membres du forum « French ».

Si l’équipe de développement de PCLinuxOS veut que toutes les distributions préalablement localisées soient renommées et débarrassées de toute mention à PCLinuxOS, il lui faudra faire le tour des communautés telles que celles-ci, qui pour certaines produisent déjà des versions localisées depuis un certain temps:

If the PCLinuxOS team wants the PCLinuxOS brand name to be delivered only by the PCLinuxOS official team, they should visit all the foreign communities who have been remastering to their own language using PCLinuxOS as a usual name, since a long time.

Quelques exemples:
http://www.pclinuxosusers.de/index.phphttp://www.pclinuxos.cz/ (avec des images isos comme celle-ci : http://mirror.panelnet.cz/pclinuxos/live-cd/pclinuxos-2012.02-kde-cs-sk.iso ou celle-là : http://mirror.panelnet.cz/pclinuxos/live-cd/pclinuxos-2012.2-gnome-cs.iso), et notez les liens vers les différentes communautés dans la barre latérale de gauche:

en cherchant un peu, et avec l’aide de « translate.google » je pense que l’on pourrait trouver encore bien des productions nommées «pclinuxos-2012» assorties du code iso de la communauté concernée.


Script Addlocale : C’est un programme en bash créé par un membre de la communauté PCLinuxOS, qui a pour objectif de compenser l’absence d’un outil de localisation dans PCLinuxOS. Le développeur a créé un dépôt contenant de nombreuses locales et son script les installe en fonction de votre choix de langue et des paquets qui sont présents dans votre système au moment où vous l’employez.

Ce script est très utile pour dégrossir la localisation mais le tout présente quelques défauts. Par exemple, si au moment ou vous le lancez, le serveur distant est en train d’effectuer une synchronisation, votre localisation tombe à l’eau et parfois même se bloque. Il faut que le système soit parfaitement à jour avant de commencer.

Si vous ne lisez pas l’anglais, vous aurez du mal à installer avant de localiser; Si vous lancez Addlocale en Live, vous devrez de toute manière mettre la distribution à jour avant, ce qui peut ne pas être possible, en fonction de la RAM dont dispose votre machine;

Enfin, si tout se passe bien vous voilà au bout : mais les traductions des menus sont imparfaites, et les localisations publiées sur le forum n’ont pas été intégrées.

Voici toutes les très bonne raisons pour localiser les versions de la distribution avant de les fournir avec des améliorations notables.

 

Réseaux sociaux ou auto-fichage ?

Je vous suggère de lire cet intéressant billet de fiction. Tellement réaliste…

Expulsé du territoire pour avoir utilisé Facebook, Google+, Linkedin ou Twitter

Lorsque Mr X arriva à l’aéroport , le fonctionnaire du contrôle des passeports ne lui posa qu’une seule question : “Utilisez vous les réseaux sociaux, Google+, Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin ?”

‘Heu, oui, comme tout le monde”

-Je vois ici sur votre profil Facebook que vous avez coché la case religion et indiqué Islam. Vous êtes pratiquant ?

-Mes parents le sont et je ne suis pas baptisé si vous préférez. Mais comment pouvez vous avoir accès à ces informations que je ne partage pas hormis avec mes amis ? C’est une violation de ma vie privée !

-Vous avez entièrement raison ! Cependant, notre police a passé des accord commerciaux avec Facebook pour acheter les données de ses utilisateurs (…)

Les réseaux sociaux sont-ils dangereux pour la préservation de notre vie privée, ou est-ce seulement l’usage qu’on en fait qui peut le devenir ?

 

 

 

PCLinuxOS Éducation 2012 et les règlements de la team

/! Note to English readers : I won’t take time to translate French for English readers and English to French readers. Under the present text you can find a few places where you can get an instant and approximate translation.

/! Je ne prendrai pas le temps de traduire l’anglais pour les francophones, ou le français pour les anglophones. Voici quelques adresses pour une traduction instantanée et approximative du contenu de ces pages:

http://translate.google.fr/

http://fr.babelfish.yahoo.com/

http://www.wordreference.com/

De quoi s’agit-il ?

Tout récemment, il y a à peine quelques mois Texstar a décidé de se mettre en retrait par rapport au développement de sa distribution, PCLinuxOS. Depuis, l’équipe qui a repris a pris des positions rigides concernant ce qu’ils nomment les standards de publication.
En gros, si vous faites des remasters destinés au public, suivez leurs standards à la lettre, ou alors ne comptez plus sur leur soutien, ni pour vous-même ni pour les utilisateurs de vos saveurs.

Voici le lien vers le post:
*** Notice to all would be remaster creators ***

Ce qui me gêne dans le cas de la versions Éducation est relatif à la sécurité. Comme nous allons le voir, sécurité sous GNU/Linux rime avec privilèges d’administration, or, l’installeur de la distribution PCLinuxOS n’exige aucun mot de passe.

C’est d’ailleurs probablement le cas pour nombre d’autres versions GNU/Linux, seulement dans le cas d’une distribution destinée aux enfants et aux écoles, il apparaît que c’est plus sensible, car les utilisateurs novices ne pensent pas toujours, loin de là, qu’un OS destiné aux enfants puisse être accompagné de risques majeurs comme écraser un OS déjà présent sur le disque dur, lors d’une installation intempestive, ou faire joujou avec les fichiers et dossiers du disque dur lors d’une session en live au cours de laquelle les partitions d’un système utilisant NTFS sont accessibles en lecture et écriture.

Aussi, me voici partie à requérir un amendement au nouveau règlement, et surprise après mon réveil ce jourd’hui : non seulement j’ai reçu deux NON catégoriques, et supposés humiliants (je ne me sens vraiment pas concernée… ) mais en plus le sujet est verrouillé !

Voici l’histoire au complet, car je ne vais pas attendre que tout ceci disparaisse pour le présenter. (Les administrateurs du forum sont aussi très rapides pour appuyer sur le bouton « supprimer » lorsqu’un sujet les dérange un tant soit peu, et ils maîtrisent à merveille les outils pour couper les posts à qui mieumieux à travers un fil).

Enfin, au final la décision sur ce que deviendra PCLinuxOS Éducation ne doit pas m’appartenir, mais être discutée et décidée en commun avec tous les utilisateurs et testeurs qui ont contribué à sa création. C’est la moindre des choses.

Voici le fil de la discussion sur le forum PCLinuxOS, dans la section utilisateurs avancés:

PCLinuxOS Education 2012 and security concerns

Si je sujet disparaît, vous en trouverez une copie ici:

PCLinuxOS Education 2012 and security concerns

et puisque le sujet est verrouillé, voici le contenu du message privé que j’adresse à Old-Polack, pour continuer la discussion, message dont j’espère qu’il le transmettra aux autres membres décideurs de l’équipe:

Hi O-P,I am sorry to see you have locked the topic, and that the pclos team treats the users and contributors like children (or dummies). You can talk as long as you want about the standards in linux distributions, the details I started talking about are not relevant to standards in linux distributions but about details on the methods used and the shape under which the distribution is delivered.

About humiliation : I was not feeling humiliated until you or Jase LOCKED the topic, which clearly means «shut your mouth we heard you enough». On the opposite, I was ready to have a frank discussion on what seems to me a key matter in the details of the pclinuxos versions : SECURITY.

Let me demonstrate how I view security through the Linux (GNU/Linux !) standards. One key item of the security under Linux : the root password, and the repeated claim in ALL distributions : don’t login to X as root !!!

What was PCLinuxOS do during decades ? Write the root credentials at login screen and on the forum tell newbies how to login as root to X to solve some of their problems (you may remember a talk we had at the forum some time ago, maybe one year or two when a guy had done all his home in the home of root… )

The one main standard in GNU/Linux distributions about security is the priviledges related to administrating a system : never without a ROOT permission.

So is installing a distribution a current task that a user would do usually in his daily use of an operating system ? I am sure you will answer NO. This is an administrative task. So I repeat, installing SHOULD if not just in Edu, but in ALL cases, require the ROOT password.

After I had written publicly about this particular point of my request I was expecting the PCLinuxOS team to be a little more thoughtful and even demonstrate more clever thinking : I am expecting the PCLinuxOS team to re-think the way ALL versions are distributed and put some barriers on the install process, to guarantee that the install process will always be performed at least with a root password, be it from the Live, or from the boot stanza.

Let me end with one word about standards in GNU/Linux distributions : the shape of a Live installable is not a standard and offers particular possibilities that most other GNU/Linux do not offer, such as installing from a demo version or accessing to the internal partitions. If this shape is not fit for a particular purpose, it has to be amended, which does not remove all the other qualities the distribution has. If this shape is especially a risk for the people’s data, then the shape is not good and has to be changed, without removing the other qualities that the distribution offers.

With the humdrum of the use and the development tasks, I believe the present team has forgotten theses important details about security and about delivering versions to a public constituded by a growing number of zero day newbies.

Now for the qualities that PCLinuxOS brings which are most important, here is a comparision between PCLinuxOS Education and other Education versions. Here is a list:
http://www.framasoft.net/rubrique213.html

I have tried one derived from Debian which is Doudoulinux : hardly installable (uses dd in console or nothing), and can’t be updated, upgraded or added programs.

Others I have read of : not possible to add programs or to update.

I could study them all and do a list, none has what our’s have : only very recent versions of all edu games and programs on a distribution which can not only be installed in single and multiboot, but also is working as a rolling release and can be changed throught the install of packages and all changes people can fancy as in another of the flavors.

This is why I don’t feel humiliated to discuss the matter publicly : because it is worth it !!! Who will feel humiliated ? Me or the people who show clearly on the forum, that they refuse to use their brain ?

Let me also acknowledge you that since yesterday evening I have already received several private messages of sympathy from some of  our members also contributing, telling me I did a good job with this Edu, and to hold on. I don’t feel humiliated : I hope the main team will now take the time to think about it quietly and not think they have the right to decide all without a thought for the final users among which I count myself.

I was about to forget : I prefer the light of public talks, than the obscurity of private messages, when the subject is not strictly personal.

Obcurity/Light : does that remind you something ?

You can forward my present message to the other members of the development team. If I knew of a group name to Bcc I would have used it.

Please take note : all this does not remove on bit from the consideration I have towards you.

Have a nice day, with my best regards,
Mélodie

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